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]]> By: shmatt http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-810 shmatt Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:50:21 +0000 http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-810 I understand where you are coming from, Kinga. Once in a "ministry training" class I attended, in an effort to illustrate why our denomination prays loudly (and I mean loudly), the leader got us to sit quietly and try to pray with our heads bowed and eyes closed, the idea being for us to see how easily we are distracted doing so. Now, I prayed, and I felt God respond. One lady, however, stood up and claimed how religious the whole experience was and felt that God could never move in such a way. The difference? Not the presence of God - but our responsiveness and openess to God in that situation. My point - yes, God will respond to us individually, and in whatever scenario we find ourselves. God has no preference to style, but there is no doubt that each an every one of us finds it easier to approach God in an environment that we are comfortable in. While I had trouble "pushing in" at Planet Shakers, my kids were up there in the balconies with their eyes closed and hands raised. I was very glad to see that. But I am also glad that they were removed from the auditorium before the message was preached. I understand where you are coming from, Kinga.

Once in a “ministry training” class I attended, in an effort to illustrate why our denomination prays loudly (and I mean loudly), the leader got us to sit quietly and try to pray with our heads bowed and eyes closed, the idea being for us to see how easily we are distracted doing so.

Now, I prayed, and I felt God respond. One lady, however, stood up and claimed how religious the whole experience was and felt that God could never move in such a way. The difference? Not the presence of God - but our responsiveness and openess to God in that situation.

My point - yes, God will respond to us individually, and in whatever scenario we find ourselves. God has no preference to style, but there is no doubt that each an every one of us finds it easier to approach God in an environment that we are comfortable in.

While I had trouble “pushing in” at Planet Shakers, my kids were up there in the balconies with their eyes closed and hands raised. I was very glad to see that.

But I am also glad that they were removed from the auditorium before the message was preached.

]]> By: Kinga http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-809 Kinga Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:57:02 +0000 http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-809 I don't know... I'm a GenX myself and I think the amount of annointing in any Planet Shakers (or any similar worship service) is directly proportional to how close YOU are to God in your own walk. When I'm far from God, I get all cynical and start poking holes in stuff. When I'm close to God, it seems to me less hypey and I trust my fellow worshippers are genuinely seeking God. not saying it's the same for everyone, but for me, if I'm not able to worship God in a modern worship service, then the problem is definitely with me, not the church. I agree with Aaron's comment about altar calls in general though. It seems such a shame too when it would be SOOOOO simple to explain about sin and repentance BEFORE giving the call rather than just saying "come to Jesus and he will give you life more abundant". They might do good altar calls at Planet Shakers, I don't know, I'm just talking in general across all churches. I don’t know… I’m a GenX myself and I think the amount of annointing in any Planet Shakers (or any similar worship service) is directly proportional to how close YOU are to God in your own walk. When I’m far from God, I get all cynical and start poking holes in stuff. When I’m close to God, it seems to me less hypey and I trust my fellow worshippers are genuinely seeking God. not saying it’s the same for everyone, but for me, if I’m not able to worship God in a modern worship service, then the problem is definitely with me, not the church.
I agree with Aaron’s comment about altar calls in general though. It seems such a shame too when it would be SOOOOO simple to explain about sin and repentance BEFORE giving the call rather than just saying “come to Jesus and he will give you life more abundant”. They might do good altar calls at Planet Shakers, I don’t know, I’m just talking in general across all churches.

]]> By: Aaron Ireland http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-287 Aaron Ireland Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:24:48 +0000 http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-287 "You could not even feel the anointing, which was sooooo strong and awesome." I sure hope Fred was being sarcastic, because all hype with tonnes of adrenaline, does not anointing a-make. In fact, how can you even tell God is there, with all that soul effort flying about. Kind reminds me of the T-Shirt I saw once: "I found Jesus ... He was behind the couch!!" I don't suppose there was any reference to "sin" and "repentance"? I'm sure they gave an altar call to "receive Christ" in spite of such a glaring omission, though ... or was it a call to "make your problems end now"? Lord, help us keep our balance, because the "planet" is "shaking" too much. :'( “You could not even feel the anointing, which was sooooo strong and awesome.”

I sure hope Fred was being sarcastic, because all hype with tonnes of adrenaline, does not anointing a-make. In fact, how can you even tell God is there, with all that soul effort flying about.

Kind reminds me of the T-Shirt I saw once:
“I found Jesus … He was behind the couch!!”

I don’t suppose there was any reference to “sin” and “repentance”? I’m sure they gave an altar call to “receive Christ” in spite of such a glaring omission, though … or was it a call to “make your problems end now”?

Lord, help us keep our balance, because the “planet” is “shaking” too much.
:’(

]]> By: Wazza http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-104 Wazza Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:55:35 +0000 http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-104 Being slightly older than our blogger, I can definitely see his point of view, in relation to the jumping and the shouting thing. At our age, it is easy to look back and consider that something went wrong. I am veteran of "many" youth events and conferences. They all encouraged us to be radical (which just means being /d doing something different to what is currently normal - which begs the question "if we are all being radical, does that make radical "normal" and therefore not radical ?") I certainly have no problem with encouraging the youth of any generation to "press on to the higher call", having done this myself on other occasions, but good music, good speakers, good dancing and an altar call does not change a generation - that's what the generation is for. If anything, these things are a call to war - but once they are over, you still need to fight. An alter call means nothing - if you aren't altered. I am sure there was no intent to discreit the event or its participants, and as a parent, our blogger would certainly not be taking his kids back to something he thought pointless (especially spiritually). These conferences are meant to encourage the young people to a higher level of committment, so they can go back to their normal lives and actually consider making a difference, without the the assistance of the band & speakers (they have their own lives to live, after the event). Sorry for the length. Being slightly older than our blogger, I can definitely see his point of view, in relation to the jumping and the shouting thing. At our age, it is easy to look back and consider that something went wrong. I am veteran of “many” youth events and conferences. They all encouraged us to be radical (which just means being /d doing something different to what is currently normal - which begs the question “if we are all being radical, does that make radical “normal” and therefore not radical ?”)
I certainly have no problem with encouraging the youth of any generation to “press on to the higher call”, having done this myself on other occasions, but good music, good speakers, good dancing and an altar call does not change a generation - that’s what the generation is for. If anything, these things are a call to war - but once they are over, you still need to fight. An alter call means nothing - if you aren’t altered. I am sure there was no intent to discreit the event or its participants, and as a parent, our blogger would certainly not be taking his kids back to something he thought pointless (especially spiritually). These conferences are meant to encourage the young people to a higher level of committment, so they can go back to their normal lives and actually consider making a difference, without the the assistance of the band & speakers (they have their own lives to live, after the event). Sorry for the length.

]]> By: fred http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-101 fred Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:51:17 +0000 http://shmatt.com/posts/2007/01/22/point-to-the-planet-shaker/#comment-101 You're an idiot. You could not even feel the anointing, which was sooooo strong and awesome. You’re an idiot.

You could not even feel the anointing, which was sooooo strong and awesome.

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